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A，如果题目没抄错的话。 long before, 可以作形容词，副词，名词，却不能做连词，但此处却需要一个连词。否则整句成为典型的 run on 句子 。应改为可用作连词的Before。

badmintonfan(业余中手)
如果答案真是D的话，你该谨慎对待给出答案的资料。

run on 就是没有连词连接， 却用逗号分隔独立主句的句子。
Long before) instruments were solely associated (with) creating music,
前面为完整主句，后面也是，这里用逗号分开是不行的。
(they) played an essential role in many ceremonies, (including) both religious and pagan.

举个例子。
Wrong (Run on): I bought a DC yesterday, I love it very much.
Correct: I bought a DC yesterday, and I love it very much.
Also correct: I love the DC that I bought yesterday very much.
Still correct: I bought a DC yesterday;(分号) I love it very much.
Grammatically acceptable:
I bought a DC yesterday, loving it very much.
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  • 工作学习 / English / 请教一个语法问题 -szmob(szmob); 2002-7-10 {243} (#629447@0)
    (Long before) instruments were solely associated (with) creating music, (they) played an essential role in many ceremonies, (including) both religious and pagan.
    A. Long before
    B. with
    C. they
    D.including

    Which one is wrong and why?
    • a -lilyba(Sunshine); 2002-7-10 (#629454@0)
    • A,原因：感觉不好。HOHO，跟没说一样。 -ltjt86(tyson~~从东飞到西~~); 2002-7-10 (#629456@0)
      • not correct -szmob(szmob); 2002-7-10 (#629458@0)
      • before) instruments were solely associated (with) creating music, (they) played an essential role in many ceremonies, (including) both religious and pagan. 这样一读，咋读咋通顺。 -lilyba(Sunshine); 2002-7-10 (#629459@0)
        • hand hand. -ltjt86(tyson~~从东飞到西~~); 2002-7-10 (#629469@0)
    • a. 其他的三个好象没问题, 只有A怪怪的. -olivetree(Olive Tree); 2002-7-10 (#629460@0)
      • The answer is D. I do not know why? Any one can explain? -szmob(szmob); 2002-7-10 (#629465@0)
        • 答案也会有出错的时候的。:P听听你看的这本书的可信性有多高吧，要是新东方的什么东西，那可信性就差点儿。 -ltjt86(tyson~~从东飞到西~~); 2002-7-10 (#629476@0)
    • D -dundas888(敦达寺); 2002-7-10 (#629464@0)
      • correct. but why? -szmob(szmob); 2002-7-10 (#629468@0)
    • D. 因为有逗号所以不能用分词 -zhihaoxx(辛普); 2002-7-10 (#629473@0)
      • ", which included", 或 "including" (without , ) -zhihaoxx(辛普); 2002-7-10 (#629478@0)
        • I got it , thanks a lot. -szmob(szmob); 2002-7-10 (#629481@0)
          • u r welcome -zhihaoxx(辛普); 2002-7-10 (#629501@0)
      • 相信你那分数的真实性了！ -zhoulang(笑看风云); 2002-7-10 {40} (#629488@0)
        红外范围不会超过一尺，能满足你的要求吗？
        • 好好好! 你现在有? -zhihaoxx(辛普); 2002-7-10 (#629500@0)
          • :-( 没有。你倒是可以用我的笔记本试试，红外连接距离太短了，速度也狂慢。 -zhoulang(笑看风云); 2002-7-10 (#629508@0)
    • 如果是d, 是否由于religious and pagan. 非名词吧。(不敢确定） -lilyba(Sunshine); 2002-7-10 (#629480@0)
      • 这两个词也可做名词，但都是代表“人”，所以不管怎样用现代分词肯定是错的。 -rockywei(落基山); 2002-7-10 (#629511@0)
    • A，如果题目没抄错的话。 long before, 可以作形容词，副词，名词，却不能做连词，但此处却需要一个连词。否则整句成为典型的 run on 句子 。应改为可用作连词的Before。 -badmintonfan(业余中手); 2002-7-10 {670} (#630166@0)
      如果答案真是D的话，你该谨慎对待给出答案的资料。

      run on 就是没有连词连接， 却用逗号分隔独立主句的句子。
      Long before) instruments were solely associated (with) creating music,
      前面为完整主句，后面也是，这里用逗号分开是不行的。
      (they) played an essential role in many ceremonies, (including) both religious and pagan.

      举个例子。
      Wrong (Run on): I bought a DC yesterday, I love it very much.
      Correct: I bought a DC yesterday, and I love it very much.
      Also correct: I love the DC that I bought yesterday very much.
      Still correct: I bought a DC yesterday;(分号) I love it very much.
      Grammatically acceptable:
      I bought a DC yesterday, loving it very much.
      • 感觉你的说法更可信一些.总觉得这个long before怪怪的. -ltjt86(tyson~~从东飞到西~~); 2002-7-10 (#630199@0)
      • DONT THINK SO, if 'before' is conjunctive, there is nothing wrong to use an adverb "long" before 'before', AND your example is ok but misleading, you talk about bin lie ju (using semicolon to separate...) , here 'before...' is a clause already, -youfake(油法开---上海口音); 2002-7-10 {113} (#630536@0)
        my best analysis is that the error is at "they", simply a 'guo qu wan cheng shi' should be used---they had...
        • Yes, I think you are right. The 'long before' here might not be used as a whole phase, but as noun "long " + conj " before ", so the first half sentence has already been a clause. -badmintonfan(业余中手); 2002-7-11 (#631065@0)
      • 不知道为什么你会有这样的结论，你在google上查查，会得到一大堆以long before开头的句子。如果说个人网站有可能错的话，大名鼎鼎的“今日美国”(USA Today)应该不会犯这种低级错误吧？ -zhihaoxx(辛普); 2002-7-10 (#630674@0)
        • 我也搜索了一下，确实发现不少，应该你是对的。 -badmintonfan(业余中手); 2002-7-11 (#631043@0)
    • 这个句子错在THEY。因为LONG BEFORE引导的是一个从句，一般用代词（THEY）作主语（也有用名词的），但主句的主语则一般不用代词，而用名词（句中用THEY做主语而不是INSTRUMENTS，所以错）。 -pocket(老军医); 2002-7-10 (#630238@0)
    • C is wrong. It should be " they had". good luck! -hipenguin(又一个四年); 2002-7-11 (#631073@0)
      • Agreed! 过去的过去用过去完成时。两例句：1）Disease Starts Long Before You Have Symptoms. 2）Moore's law loses its credibility long before we reach absolute physical limits. -flyingdust(FlyingDust); 2002-7-11 (#632694@0)
    • D, should be "such as". -subway2001(三明治); 2002-7-11 (#631911@0)
    • 看了很多的回答，感觉是把问题搞的更复杂了。只想在这里明确一下，正确答案应该是D。也就是说将including去掉，该句子才成立。 -chinasmilemoonlight(Canada Goose); 2002-7-22 {458} (#651124@0)
      including的用法是前面列举了一些事情之后，不想一一列举完，便用inluding将自己认为应该包括在内的东西说出来。该句子并没有列举ceremony A或ceremony B 然后再inluding “ceremony C”来表示还有更多的ceremony D or more. 此处的both religious and pagan只是形容词短语做补语来说明ceremony性质，所以including就多余了。long before一点也不怪(它引导时间状语从句)，they更是不能丢(因为它是主句的主语，代instruments)，with当然改不得(associate with是动词短语，犹如connect with一样)
    • 一点意见：including both religious and pagan应该是修饰they吧，而非ceremonies。从句（long before引导的）是时间状语，说的是过去的事，那主句应该是过去完成式吧。应该选C。 A，D应该没错 -rabbitbug(兔八哥); 2002-7-23 (#651248@0)
    • 千万别说C是错的！ -chinasmilemoonlight(Canada Goose); 2002-7-23 {2546} (#652434@0)
      本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛本以为说清楚了，看来只好再说几句。新东方出的也好，其它地方出的也罢，答案都不可能100%准确，但是这一题的答案"D"毫无疑问是对的。让我们从两个方面来看：
      先说动词的时态
      认为C是答案的人，理由是应该用过去完成时，其实这句话里played或had played都可以。其实动词的基本时态只有三种：过去，现在和将来，用以说明动词所表示的动作发生在我们说话时(现在)之前(过去)或之后(将来)。其它的形式应该说是这三种时态的细分，当我们要更进一步强调或者限制动词所发生的时间，我们才用得上这些细分的形式。我们以study为例：
      I study English.(泛泛而谈，可以理解为天天在学)
      I studied English.(泛泛而谈，可以理解为说此话之前的任何时间学过)
      I will study English.(泛泛而谈，可以理解为说此话之后的任何时间会学习)
      I am studying English right now.(不再泛泛而谈了，现在就在学)
      I studied English for a long time before I studied French.(泛泛而谈，指我以前学过英语和法语。)
      I had studied English for quite some time before I began to study French two years ago.(不再泛泛而谈了，特别强调两个动词(study, begin)之间的关系，即过去的过去)
      就本题来看，泛泛而谈在过去的时间里乐器即用于音乐创作，也用于各种庆典--宗教和非宗教庆典--是完全说得过去的。你一定要改为had played当然也毫无问题。
      顺便说一下，religious and pagan绝对不是用来修饰they的，因为they代的是“乐器”。此句可不是说乐器分为两类：宗教的，非宗教的；此句说的是两类不同的庆典：宗教的和非宗教的(异教的)。
      下面再说说应试的技巧
      应考的最佳感觉应该是看到试题便能确认每一试题的考点在哪里。例如：主谓一致、动词时态、分词结构等等。大家在复习的时候总能知道归类的，那么这一题的考点应该在“代词、连词、介词”一类。根据题意，我们需要做的是判断这里面是哪个词用错了，即long before(连词), with(介词), they(代词), 还是including(介词)用错了。是需要改成别的词呢？还是需要去掉它？当我们审题时应该看到这一题的考点与played毫无关系。(此题当然也可以设计成将动词时态列为考点，如果那样的话打在括号里或有下划线的部分就应该是此句里的动词和时间状语了，即long before(也许写成long ago)、was associated with、played、和included。不过要说明的是如果一定要用include这个词的话，此句就要稍做改动(我在前面已经解释过including的用法)：
      Long before instruments were solely associated with creating music, they (had) played an essential role in many ceremonies, both religious and pagan. 乐器纯粹用于音乐创作之前，早就在很多庆典--宗教的和非宗教的--中起着重要作用了。
      Long before instruments were solely associated with creating music, they (had) played an essential role in both religious and pagan ceremonies which, of course, included Christian wedding ceremony! 乐器纯粹用于音乐创作之前，早就在宗教的和非宗教的庆典中起着重要作用了，其中当然包括基督教的婚礼庆典了。更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • D是错的，但上面各位理由不当。其实很简当： -a-oh(阿噢); 2002-7-23 {141} (#652459@0)
      include为及物动词，后面跟名词性宾语。所以， 应为“,including both religious and pagan ones." 或 ”，both religios and pagan" 作为后置定语。

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