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转载： 造做的英语和淘汰的词语

goingconern(GoingConcern)
Instead of saying: Going forward, we need to take a deep dive into the process we employ to incentivize staff. （这话说的象不象憋角的小丑演杂技忽悠人？）

Let's say: We need to look at how we reward our staff.

"trending, guru, double down, going forward, leverage, take-away, deep-dive, at the end of the day, incentivize" 这些词都被列入淘汰之类，听起来，确实是腻得流油。我本人也很不看好这些造做之词，听起来就是流气。

以上 英文原文是我曾经的写作导师 PATRICIA DAVIS所言。她是位于多伦多的独立写作导师，造诣颇高，前GLOBE AND MAIL的编辑。我个人很喜欢她简洁智慧的风格。我一片文章经过她的修改，不到原文的１／３，但其中的精炼令我终生受益。
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  • 工作学习 / 外语学习 / 转载： 造做的英语和淘汰的词语 -goingconern(GoingConcern); 2013-1-14 {645} (#7998077@0)
    Instead of saying: Going forward, we need to take a deep dive into the process we employ to incentivize staff. （这话说的象不象憋角的小丑演杂技忽悠人？）

    Let's say: We need to look at how we reward our staff.

    "trending, guru, double down, going forward, leverage, take-away, deep-dive, at the end of the day, incentivize" 这些词都被列入淘汰之类，听起来，确实是腻得流油。我本人也很不看好这些造做之词，听起来就是流气。

    以上 英文原文是我曾经的写作导师 PATRICIA DAVIS所言。她是位于多伦多的独立写作导师，造诣颇高，前GLOBE AND MAIL的编辑。我个人很喜欢她简洁智慧的风格。我一片文章经过她的修改，不到原文的１／３，但其中的精炼令我终生受益。
    • Thanks. -thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$); 2013-1-14 (#7998089@0)
      • 元芳，你怎么看？ -wincity(红卫兵); 2013-1-14 (#7998091@0)
        • Excellent points. What do you guys think NOTHANKS / WINTERSTORM? -thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$); 2013-1-14 {126} (#7998100@0)
          Yet depending on the work environment and audiences there may be different ways one would organize their thoughts / sentences.
          • i like incentivize. it's definitely not the same as "reward". -wincity(红卫兵); 2013-1-14 (#7998104@0)
            • It is a fabricated word though :-). -goingconern(GoingConcern); 2013-1-14 (#7998158@0)
            • Certainly two different words, but one word of "reward" is powerful enough to equal "the process we employ to incentivize". That is the point I guess. -goingconern(GoingConcern); 2013-1-14 (#7998160@0)
              • It's certainly a good idea to make one's writing more concise. But people like your writing teacher run the risk of making it a religion, often cutting meat instead of just the fat. -wincity(红卫兵); 2013-1-14 {270} (#7998212@0)
                Their concise version often loses a lot in terms of meaning, expressiveness, vividness, understandableness, power, emotion, etc, compared to the less "concise" version. For example, I can reward you with $100 but that may not incentivize you because you're too rich.
                • Nah, disagree. Vivid language does not always need more words. -goingconern(GoingConcern); 2013-1-14 (#7998428@0)
                • Agreed. -winterstorm(打酱油的); 2013-1-14 (#7998805@0)
                  • 不明白为什么每次酱油兄都要说＂agreed＂而不是＂agree＂或＂I agree＂。 我怎么都觉得别扭，容易联想到会计术语，在一个数旁边标上＂agreed＂，即已核对该数。 -goingconern(GoingConcern); 2013-1-14 (#7998904@0)
                    • Agree. -thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$); 2013-1-14 (#7998920@0)
                    • 一个单独的动词从语法上讲就是一个句子，单独用agree, 就像像单独用stop, sit, go 等等，把回答变成了祈使句，从而产生“要求别人同意”这类歧义。所以本人要么用agreed (meaning "Your opinion is agreed"), 要么用“I agree” (meaning "I agree with your opinion"). -winterstorm(打酱油的); 2013-1-14 (#7998965@0)
                      • Agree is an intransitive verb, isn't it? -goingconern(GoingConcern); 2013-1-15 (#7999329@0)
                        • "Agree" can be both transitive and intransitive. -winterstorm(打酱油的); 2013-1-15 (#7999386@0)
                          • To balance your point a bit: it is used as a transitive verb only when it takes a clause as an object. In such a case, it actually means " to concede or grant or admit". -goingconern(GoingConcern); 2013-1-15 {757} (#7999648@0)
                            Collins Concise English Dictionary © HarperCollins Publishers::

                            agree /əˈɡriː/
                            vb (agrees, agreeing, agreed)(mainly intr)
                            1.(often followed by with) to be of the same opinion; concur
                            2.(also tr; when intr, often followed by to; when tr, takes a clause as object or an infinitive) to give assent; consent
                            3.(also tr; when intr, followed by on or about; when tr, may take a clause as object) to come to terms (about); arrive at a settlement (on)
                            4.(followed by with) to be similar or consistent; harmonize; correspond
                            5.(followed by with) to be agreeable or suitable (to one's health, temperament, etc)
                            6.(tr; takes a clause as object) to concede or grant; admit: they agreed that the price they were asking was too high
                            7.to undergo agreement
                    • 我觉得很合适，他说的是"你“被同意了，而不是”我“同意你了。这是尊重的表现，我的理解。 -c_w(|); 2013-1-14 (#7998971@0)
                      • 被动语态可不能这样乱用啊。 -goingconern(GoingConcern); 2013-1-15 (#7999334@0)
                        • World English Dictionary agreed (əˈɡriːd) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide] — adj 1. determined by common consent: the agreed price — interj 2. an expression of agreement or consent -wincity(红卫兵); 2013-1-15 (#7999353@0)
                          • Therefore, it is not about the use of the passive voice, but that of an adjective. -goingconern(GoingConcern); 2013-1-15 (#7999620@0)
                            • You are correct. -nothanks(ciel); 2013-1-15 (#8000189@0)
                  • 才发现酱油哥的支持，俺是又惊又喜啊！ -wincity(红卫兵); 2013-1-15 (#7999354@0)
                    • 很高兴看到你受宠若惊的样子. -thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$); 2013-1-15 (#7999409@0)
    • 绝对化了。叙事可简单明了，写景不妨绚丽多彩，定义则须准确严谨，后两者都需要大量的词汇来支撑。根据写作的目的选用适当的风格才会最有效地表达作者的意图。写作者当然可以选择自己擅长的风格来写作，但不应认为自己擅长的就是最好的，唯一的写作标准。 -winterstorm(打酱油的); 2013-1-14 (#7998775@0)
      • 定义也不一定要准确严谨，我觉得。 -c_w(|); 2013-1-14 (#7998918@0)
        • agreed。every penny counts。doesn't have to be a whole dollar。 -wincity(红卫兵); 2013-1-14 (#7998931@0)
        • 如果定义用语都不需要严谨，世上还有什么事物需要被严谨地表述？ -winterstorm(打酱油的); 2013-1-14 (#7998975@0)
          • 只能说尽量严谨。就是因为不严谨，才有了无穷无尽的 ASSUMPTION，因为人的 MIND 要比语言复杂得多，我肤浅的理解。 -c_w(|); 2013-1-14 (#7998980@0)
            • 在下愚笨，已经被王小姐绕晕。 -winterstorm(打酱油的); 2013-1-14 (#7998998@0)
              • 呵呵 -c_w(|); 2013-1-14 {102} (#7999001@0)
                下一个 ...





                随便有感就写了，不是为了和你较真。你说的其他的我都同意，只是觉得你这个太绝对了。
    • 大千世界，千姿百态，语言有繁有简，才有意思。对我们新移民来讲，能把意思表达清楚，让对方听明白自己的观点，就非常不错了。 -mikesmith(老猫); 2013-1-15 (#7999420@0)
      • "把意思表达清楚" = simplicity is the soul of wit. -goingconern(GoingConcern); 2013-1-15 (#7999615@0)
    • 这个编辑真得厉害。用简单的词把意思表达清楚最好。 -arrowroot(purple); 2013-1-15 (#7999695@0)
    • 问个问题 -c_w(|); 2013-1-15 {60} (#7999721@0)
      说英语，简单做好。

      为什么说中文，都是委婉，拐弯抹角的呢？
      • 也不是说英语就是简单。 你若读一读大使馆来信或律师来信，也可以领教无穷无尽的拐弯抹角。中文相对来说含蓄，可能因为它是象型文字，有许多意传的信息一看字就明白，不需太直白。 -goingconern(GoingConcern); 2013-1-15 (#7999760@0)
    • "guru", "leverage" are still in use. Why kill them? Never heard of "incentivize", quite a tougue twister. "at the end of the day" is totally meaningless, should be avoided. "trending"? I don't know what that means. Trendy? -nothanks(ciel); 2013-1-15 {47} (#8000267@0)
      "take-away", “double down” are rarely used.
      • obviously you don't trade stocks. -wincity(红卫兵); 2013-1-15 (#8000348@0)
      • "at the end of the day" is very meaningful. it's just disliked by language snobs. -wincity(红卫兵); 2013-1-15 (#8000388@0)
        • 就是因为比较通俗cute, 这个词已经被人们不分场合地滥用得不能再滥了。有些学术或商业场合，老老实实地用一个＂ultimately＂或＂eventually＂即可，何必如彼说得故意扮cute 呢？ -goingconern(GoingConcern); 2013-1-15 (#8001370@0)
          • 滥用当然不好，但是 at the end of the day 形象，生动，有人情味，有哲理味，绝不是 eventually 等词可比。trending，double down 也都是好词。你那个写作老师让俺想起私塾老太师。 -wincity(红卫兵); 2013-1-15 (#8001394@0)
            • 就是咱们对什么样的场合说什么样的话，就象穿什么样的衣服一样，还要多多经历，多多学习。功勉。 -goingconern(GoingConcern); 2013-1-16 (#8001821@0)
          • BTW， take-away 也比较生动形象，也是好词。 -wincity(红卫兵); 2013-1-15 (#8001399@0)
            • 就像做红烧肉，很多佐料可有可无，但加了之后就有了些滋味，不那么干巴巴的。我也爱看史计，精炼，一个词顶10个；我也爱看金庸古龙，虽然用词量是史计的1000倍，但描写不同的内容，表达不同的感情，还是各取所需的好。 -mikesmith(老猫); 2013-1-16 (#8001558@0)
              • 说的好！ -goingconern(GoingConcern); 2013-1-16 (#8001817@0)
              • 说的好！ -goingconern(GoingConcern); -nuanxin(nuanxin); 2013-1-22 (#8014207@0)
    • 为什么要请她改呢？是论文？ -blankbliss(给我一个空间); 2013-1-16 (#8003368@0)
      • 拜师学艺做练习而已。 -goingconern(GoingConcern); 2013-1-16 (#8003522@0)

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