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工作学习 / 外语学习 / 想问问大家觉的现在在日常工作和生活中语言交流的最大问题是什么？
-teresashi(Curly Hair);
2009-11-24
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相信过了7年之痒之后，the major problem is not the language itself. Instead, it's principally culture related. For instance, people talk to you mentioning something similar to 小嘎子，or some other cartoon characters.
-james05(关不上的窗);
2009-11-24
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I totally agree. Sometimes I have the same problem and I honestly think the only solution to it is to make some "native speaking" friends and you will be surprised to find out how many different slangs you learn from them:-)I have learned so much from my friends and that's also the reason why i want to get them invovled in the training program.
-teresashi(Curly Hair);
2009-11-24
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楼主是多大年纪来加拿大？楼主想在哪里举办英语交流培训班？
-kkry(kkry);
2009-12-7
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最大问题是年龄不小了，记忆力不行了。家里都讲中文，到哪里去找这样的本地人，别人还不在乎你的英语水平而愿意和你交朋友帮助你呢？
-palwang2000(sammy);
2009-11-26
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很重要的一个问题, 通过学好英语带出你的自信. 我也有同感, 有家庭有孩子, 还怎么叫native friends? 家里事情都忙死了, 还有想问问楼上的, 要是这样英语学不好了, 岂不是很绝望了? 那我们移民还该怎么办尤其在现在那么难找工作的情况下?
-fruit5188(果果);
2009-11-27
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我非常理解。有家有孩子，生活很忙，的确很难抽出时间来学英语。但是好的语言能在工作和生活的方方面面帮助你，特别是提高自信。我个人的经验是花一些时间精力提高发音和对文化的了解。然后很自然的就交到越来越多的本地朋友，然后自然的你的语言在潜移默化中越来越好。I know it's easier said than done. But we've got to start somewhere, right? That's how my Canadian friend and I got the incentive to start this English training program, cause we understand how hard and frustrating it is to learn a foreign language without any help.
-teresashi(Curly Hair);
2009-11-27
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我觉得是发音很重要， 然后是不知道说什么， 然后是思维方式不一样
-jjqq(bestwishes);
2009-11-26
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你说的很对。发音不好不利于培养自己的语感，也更不利于别人听懂你，从而导致别人不太乐意与你交谈。不知道说什么也主要因为于本地人接触比较少，从而不知道他们最热衷谈论的话题。当然自己也得上心。比如最近一段时间很风靡的Twilight 小说和电影系列，我无意发现并痴迷的读了所有四部系列，结果公司的女孩子都在痴迷于它，所以我们说起来就非常投机，还一起去看了电影。所以我觉的抱着新奇的心理去多了解他们的书籍，电视，电影，音乐剧，餐馆，酒吧等各个方面，很快你就会发现有很多跟本地人交流的话题。当然了刚开始不会那么容易，所以我觉定在我的培训课程中文化应战一定的比例，去帮助大家知道从哪入手，具备一定的基础后自己就会下意识的吸收他们的一些社会文化。
-teresashi(Curly Hair);
2009-11-27
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我觉得最大的问题其实不是怎么学，而是愿不愿意学。这么好的语言环境，肯拿出考T 考G,或高考的劲头，啥语言学不好。人家从小到大几十年积累的东西，想一下子和本地人沟通无极限？过程是痛苦D,效果是不理想D。所以，人生苦短，不必这么累，够用就好。
-jjbb((wait for tomorrow));
2009-11-27
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Well, it does all come down to attitude. Like you said if you want to get over the language barrier and be a part of the mainstream, you can. But if you are happy with being on the border, then that's your choice, however,it might also mean not being able to reach your full potentials(or your goals) for work and life and also not being able to fully appreciate all the fun and beauties of the mainstream culture we now live in.
-teresashi(Curly Hair);
2009-11-27
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关于最近的Twilight 电影 new moon，在网上看了一小会，觉得老外怎么这么莫名其妙，什么吸血鬼 lover，什么狼，不知道为啥会这么流行。搞不懂
-kkry(kkry);
2009-12-7
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haha, i know what you are talking about. People who watch the movies without reading the books say the same thing. But you've got to read the books, they are REALLY good! Then you will understand why people (well, mostly women) are crazy about them:-)
-teresashi(Curly Hair);
2009-12-8
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Thanks Teresa. So I need to find the books to read first. May I ask how old were you when you came to Canada and where you'd like to host the training class?
-kkry(kkry);
2009-12-8
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You will find those books at Costco. I came to Canada when I was 23 (wow, it's been over 7 years!), but if you were thinking the younger you come here the better your language is, that's probably not the case.It's not a matter of age, not a matter of confidence and efforts of course:-) Honestly, we are just at the planning stage of the training course and finding a place to hold the courses is one of the toughest problems for us. But we are working hard on it and hopefully we will have a real class pretty soon! And of course, if any of you guys here have good ideas, you are welcome to let me know. 人多力量大嘛：-）
-teresashi(Curly Hair);
2009-12-8
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I think most time it depends on if you are a woman or man. Chinese man will face more difficult to find a native friend comparing to Chinese woman.
-nikejia8(Nike);
2009-11-27
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Sorry I don't think this is a reasonable excuse. Your sexuality doesn't help you with having native friends, unless they want something else from you:-). My best native friends are all girls!
-teresashi(Curly Hair);
2009-11-28
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很佩服楼主的这种胸怀，能在这繁忙的大都市中生活还想到为一些有需要的国人提供帮助，令我非常感动。我个人总结的如下：
-chenvivien75(Vivi + Ivy);
2009-11-27
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1，跟本地人的交流太少 -> 通过工作，学习，兴趣爱好，义工 等等都能更多地去交流；2，语音语调不够标准 -> 这个相对来说最难，唯一的办法就是多听多说，CBC Radio One （FM 99.1 in Toronto）是最佳学习伙伴（我在10年前还没来加拿大时就开始在网上收听了。）
-iron(iron man);
2009-11-27
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你的分析很正确,提供的学习方法也非常可行,只是相对于那些大部分时间都放在谋生和家务活上的人来说,精力和时间都会显得心有余而力不足,如果现在有些有心人象楼主这样把这些有用的信息都总结出来,给更多有需要的人得益,不是更事半功倍吗?这可就大大减轻了学习者的劳力和缩短了时间,有人帮你把问题指出来,针对性的学不是更有效吗?还有一些人由于英语水平不高，说一句话要靠几句话才解释得清楚（老外才懒得听你解释个大半天还表达不出来呢），这些人不是更需要指导吗？而且楼主还有一些native friends去做这一件事，这可是难能可贵的，我们既省了钱又可以从中得益，我个人非常赞同楼主的做法。
-chenvivien75(Vivi + Ivy);
2009-11-27
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非常感谢你的总结以及对我的这种想帮助大家的想法和做法的支持。我深深理解语言对帮助我们外来人在工作和生活的重要性，特别是改变别人对我们中国人的看法，这也是我愿意牺牲一些自己的时间和精力去做这件事的最大原因。我也曾经造过别人的冷眼
-teresashi(Curly Hair);
2009-11-28
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读了楼主这段话，又让我学了不少新的词，是的，上面所说的几个方面其实都是相互相承的，只要付出了努力，所有的技能都会得到全面提升的。但是我还想提出一点就是，
-chenvivien75(Vivi + Ivy);
2009-11-29
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我感兴趣去本地的酒文化，去酒巴，人家问你来点什么？大概可以有哪些选择？比方说几类啤酒。
-tigerbinz(tigerbinz);
2009-12-5
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I will address this in one of my Daily English messages, where i will put together most of thing you need to know about going to a pub.
-teresashi(Curly Hair);
2009-12-7
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请问你的本地朋友里面有Quebecois和French吗？我的法语需要帮忙。
-iron(iron man);
2009-11-27
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The best thing to do is watch TV, watch some Sitcom, like "Everybody loves Raymand", "Two and Half man" etc. then you might find the conversation that you can join. Don't worry about the accent. everyone has it.
-someyoungguy(童心未泯);
2009-11-27
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I'm agree with you. My teacher said the same things too.But I feel very difficultly at the beginning because they talk so fast that I cann't keep up with.
-chenvivien75(Vivi + Ivy);
2009-11-27
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I was asking for help with my "French"!
-iron(iron man);
2009-11-27
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I have a couple of friends who are bilingual(English and French)
-teresashi(Curly Hair);
2009-11-28
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我来加4年了，英语基本过关了，但是在注意力不集中的情况下有时听不懂，特别是一些移民的发音。
-zhousx18(心想事成);
2009-11-29
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It is a bit hard to understand people with different accents and trust me the native speakers have the same problem:-) so don't worry, it's just a matter of time and you will get there!
-teresashi(Curly Hair);
2009-12-3
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工作中面对面讨论还可以，就怕电话会议，又相互看不见，大家七嘴八舌，不是插入笑话，听不懂！
-zhousx18(心想事成);
2009-12-5
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More face to face conversation with those people with accents will help you know the uniqueness of the accets, therefore one day you will understand with no problem via phone too.
-teresashi(Curly Hair);
2009-12-7
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这么好的帖子一定要顶起来。
-raza(AXEMAN);
2009-12-2
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Thank you. I AM hoping more people are interested in this topic and our training plan. A little courage will go a long way, especially for people like us who want to start something new:-)
-teresashi(Curly Hair);
2009-12-3
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That's great idea. You can help a lot of chinese. I'll expect to see your next article. Cheer up!
-blackpeony(妞妞);
2009-12-4
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I appreciate your time and effort. I do understand that it's not easy to start a brand new idea for you and your friends. Stick to it and you can make a difference to people's life. Please don't hesitate to let me know if you need help.
-raza(AXEMAN);
2009-12-4
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很好的主意哦，我觉得会对新移民很有帮助。坚持下去，希望能看到成果。
-lynnzl(西瓜&小西瓜);
2009-12-4
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感觉是好象没有什么话题谈，有次跟老外出差，谈到小孩，感觉话可以多些。
-bugkiller(Driver Coding);
2009-12-5
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Thanks everyone for your great support! It means a lot for me:-) I will try as hard as I can to stick to the plan and I deeply believe it will help other people, which means a lot to me.I will start a daily topic conversation/discussion session starting from tomorrow. Hope you guys will participate:-) I am still looking for a venue to hold my first face-to-face seminar, hopefully i will get to see some of you soon:-)
-teresashi(Curly Hair);
2009-12-5
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最大的苦恼不在发音，反正我是移民，有口音我觉得很正常，不可能天天把精力集中在发音上。我觉得主要是表达、用词等等问题，还是不正确，但是确实没有人去耐心帮纠正，而且有的东西不是一次两次纠正就可以改过来或使用流畅的。
-tigerbinz(tigerbinz);
2009-12-5
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衷心感谢大家的反馈和支持！你们的feedback让我们了解到对于大家学习英文的最主要困难之一应该是不充分了解在一定生活工作情境下该说什么和怎么说。所以，我们决定在这里建立一个天天英文的帖子，每天跟大家聊一个小话题，讲一些特色词，词组，句子等。我们会列一些在工作生活中的实例，而且我很高兴我的本地朋友愿意和我一起承担这一任务，所以大家绝对放心这些对话的本土性。我也会让我的朋友为大家讲一些他们的俚语。希望大家给予支持和反馈，同时如果你们有任何感兴趣的话题，说出来我们可以一起讨论。
-teresashi(Curly Hair);
2009-12-7
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sounds very good.
-kittywhy(kittywhy);
2009-12-8
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sounds great to me! I am looking forward to it!
-smile2007(smile:));
2009-12-8
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I think you are right. Most of time we can understand what people talked,but we don't know how to say more on that topic.
-candyc(大雁南飞);
2009-12-9
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