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工作学习 / 外语学习 / Fat Phrases and their Thin Substitutes
-goingconern(GoingConcern);
2012-11-22
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(#7915687@0)
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原则上同意。 但有时为了文体的需要和对象,必要的繁琐避免不了。
-thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$);
2012-11-22
(#7915696@0)
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This is much appreciated. Please post more stuff like this. Business writing is always my Achilles heel.
-howarddong(侯董);
2012-11-22
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本人认为措辞的繁简应视实际需要。很多法律方面的书面语言就很有避简就繁的味道。
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2012-11-23
(#7916533@0)
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这个要支持酱油哥。俺对这些说教一向持怀疑态度。俺本人往往觉得累赘一些的句子说起来更舒服,多加的词也不一定就完全没用。前几天不谢哥批评担心姐不够简练俺就不同意。
-wincity(红卫兵);
2012-11-23
(#7916540@0)
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那我们再讨论一下法律条文为什么要避简就繁?
-goingconern(GoingConcern);
2012-11-23
(#7916589@0)
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Try to make you confused and trapped.
-thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$);
2012-11-23
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如果表述简单化就可能产生歧义,虽然法律条文表述繁琐,但精确无歧义!
-zhousx18(心想事成);
2012-11-27
(#7924270@0)
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要说简练,汉语文言文最简练,不过,“道可道,非常道”这六个字两千年来都没有明确的解释,原因就是字太少,无法精确限定。
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2012-11-27
(#7924418@0)
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君子坦荡荡,小人常戚戚。
-redjunk(rolia);
2012-11-23
(#7916560@0)
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I totally agree to use "because", not any other words/phrase, as "Because" is one of three magic words. (Another two are "please" and "thanks")
-nuanxin(nuanxin);
2012-11-27
(#7923471@0)
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"because"并非在任何情况下都可以取代"due to the fact that". 例如,because不能用在句首引导全句,而due to the fact that 就可以。很多国移按照中文的习惯滥用because.
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2012-11-27
(#7924409@0)
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“because不能用在句首引导全句”:俺还是头一回听说。
-wincity(红卫兵);
2012-11-27
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那你的“语感”有点成问题。顺便一提,"just because,,,,,,,,,doesn't mean....." 可勉强算个例外, 回答问题解释原因时也例外,因为这时because起的作用是连接问题和答案,不是引导一个独立的句子。
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2012-11-28
(#7924462@0)
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Not true. Ask Grammar Girl. http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/can-you-start-a-sentence-with-because.aspx
-nothanks(ciel);
2012-11-28
(#7924522@0)
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The older generations were taught in school not to start a sentence with because. Some writers still insiston this rule. But the new generations mostly ignore it and use the word freely as long as it forms a complete sentence. I personally won't start a sentence with because in any written communications, but won't mind doing it verbally. I think the new generations will eventually win the day.
-ordinaryone(ok);
2012-11-28
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Do you have anything back you up on this? Reference or source.
-nothanks(ciel);
2012-11-28
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病句。应当是:“Do you have anything THAT backs you up on this? ”,或者, “Do you have anything that can back you up on this? ”
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2012-11-28
(#7924842@0)
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不是病句,省略了一个to。俺建议你少花点时间斤斤计较语法,多多花点时间培养一下语感。
-wincity(红卫兵);
2012-11-28
(#7925783@0)
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To在此不可省略,不用to就要用从句。病句就是病句,狡辩很无聊。
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2012-11-28
(#7926073@0)
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酱油哥还是执迷不悟啊。
-wincity(红卫兵);
2012-11-28
(#7926115@0)
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正确的表达还有,Do you have anything backing you up on this? 有这么多正确的方式表达,有正确语感的人是绝不会自然地说出"Do you have anything back you up",这是个很典型的中式错误。整天兜售语感,歇歇吧。
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2012-11-29
(#7926414@0)
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说句让你生气的话,学英语整天纠缠语法,基本上是在做无用功。真正的语感是知道什么情况下用什么词,而不是纠缠一个(省略的)介词。你要是读过 eric 的文章或者听过他说英语,你就会明白他的语感国移里基本上是无人能比的,不像你把“人才济济”翻译成 lots of elites。
-wincity(红卫兵);
2012-11-29
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It's his only pleasure. Just let him enjoy. What a NPD.
-thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$);
2012-11-29
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本人从未用过lots of elites的表达,这是你捏造的。本人仅用过elites。说话如果经常不顾事实的话,那你的话就和屁没什么区别了。
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2012-11-29
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酱油哥, 有空还是练练真本事吧, 别老玩儿这个. 跟埃里克比比谁的口语好吧.
-thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$);
2012-11-28
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俺的学用语言论:学英语的人喜欢计较语法,用英语的人只要意思明白就行。补充一句:eric 的英语比你好(不少),而且比你更懂语法。
-wincity(红卫兵);
2012-11-28
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Who is Eric ?
-zhousx18(心想事成);
2012-11-28
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Eric 是外语坛的一个名笛, 发表过不少很好的作品. 后来由于有一个评论家老对他的作品评头论足, 甚至讽刺挖苦帯打击, Eric 一气之下就销声匿迹了. 他现在偶尔用马甲出场. 酱紫.
-thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$);
2012-11-28
(#7925873@0)
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被酱油哥挑刺的这位网友就是 eric,他的英文写作和口语简直跟土著一样。就这样的水平酱油哥还纠着人家挑刺,可见喜欢“学”英语的人力气是多么地使错了地方。
-wincity(红卫兵);
2012-11-28
(#7925883@0)
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你再牛酱油哥就会上音频吓唬你们的.
-thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$);
2012-11-28
(#7925886@0)
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他肯定比不过 eric 的。
-wincity(红卫兵);
2012-11-28
(#7925891@0)
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酱油哥, 你说怎样?
-thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$);
2012-11-28
(#7925904@0)
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俺怀疑他对 eric 这么 mean 是因为嫉妒
-wincity(红卫兵);
2012-11-28
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(#7925906@0)
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很有可能. 因为埃里克的英文是说写俱佳.
-thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$);
2012-11-28
(#7925907@0)
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嫉妒这种情绪真是 powerful 啊。
-wincity(红卫兵);
2012-11-28
(#7925926@0)
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Are you saying 酱油哥 is in the grips of the green-eyed monster?
-thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$);
2012-11-28
(#7925952@0)
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真的吗? 不过埃里克发表过不少英文写的文章, 还是不错的. 而且他还上过音频, 也相当好. 看到酱油哥评论的多, 而且常常是负面出场. 没见过他的文章, 更没听过他的音频. 我逼他好几天也逼不出来. 难道酱油哥的英语真是掰活英语?
-thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$);
2012-11-28
(#7925860@0)
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论坛本来就是供人发表言论的地方, 是某些人非要把它变成个擂台的。
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2012-11-29
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不会不为耻, 湷碧比什么都那什么. 典型的新时代阿Q.
-thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$);
2012-11-29
(#7926451@0)
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Unfortunately I don't have any official backup to support my comment. I know a few old folks here who commentated on many occasions on some young colleagues' "poor writings". I would personally classify this rule as a myth.
-ordinaryone(ok);
2012-11-29
(#7926921@0)
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You are right, technically, "because" should not start a sentence. However, people do use it in the beginning of the sentence more and more, and it is acceptable for most people now.
-nuanxin(nuanxin);
2012-11-29
(#7927060@0)
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语感 trumps rules!
-wincity(红卫兵);
2012-11-28
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对。特别是当错误的语感,或中式语感,成为习惯的时候,写带病的句子就得心应手了。
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2012-11-28
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酱油哥的语感是什么语感? 我真怀疑你有没有语感, 知道不知道什么是语感. 你是鸡蛋里挑骨头的好手.
-thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$);
2012-11-28
(#7925971@0)
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你等的英文在本人眼里算不上鸡蛋,只能算是一堆骨头,还用挑吗?明摆着的。
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2012-11-28
(#7926336@0)
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Your Trump Card: Self-Love. You are no more than just a bragger. 酱油哥天天大战风车, 好看, 你的表演堪称一流. 不过你还是一句英语不会说, 连哑巴英语都不如.哈哈哈哈.
-thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$);
2012-11-29
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(#7926452@0)
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祝贺酱油哥成为只占人口1%的NPD, 总是能给自己创造出一览众山小自欺欺人的快感. 等着看你的下一个新高.
-thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$);
2012-11-29
(#7926463@0)
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本人没有义务向尔等证明自己的英文水平,也没兴趣把尔等比下去。但当尔等用病句沾沾自喜地标榜自己的语感时,本人随时有资格用论坛赋予每个网民的发言权给尔等提提醒。
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2012-11-29
(#7926418@0)
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酱油哥真是夜不能寐思绪万千, 深更半夜起来发帖, 真是不辞辛苦. 别累坏了啊. 你其实根本不会英语, 我们原谅你. 等你会张嘴说英语了再说吧. 你那个所谓提醒一文不值.
-thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$);
2012-11-29
(#7926453@0)
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看来你被气得够呛,真不好意思,戳到你的痛处了。
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2012-11-29
(#7926483@0)
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HAHAHA. What a wonderful NPD. Sadly this expert just cannot speak a word of English. Stay up.
-thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$);
2012-11-29
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歇了吧。喜欢显摆你的250口音就尽管贴你的音频,但既然贴了,就别怕犯错误被人指出。你等最大的弱点就是听不得实话。事实是,在发音语调方面,这个坛子上至今只有3个真正好的:goingconcern , 还有很久前的一个女ID (Eng什么的)还有慢步妹. 但人家有水平的都很谦虚,低调。就你等这些250整天在这里扮老师,兜售什么半生不熟的“语感”,看你们的言论和英文,总忍不住想笑,所以偶尔说你们两句,还望海涵。
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2012-11-29
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(#7926518@0)
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你来个260的吧, 好不好? 你根本是什么都不会,除了瞎摆活,一文不值,上个音频,写一段儿英语,让骨头们看看你到底怎么样?哈哈哈哈哈哈
-thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$);
2012-11-29
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典型的自恋狂, 可怜之极哈哈哈哈哈哈
-thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$);
2012-11-29
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goingconcern , 还有很久前的一个女ID (Eng什么的)还有慢步妹---- 你等的英文在本人眼里算不上鸡蛋,只能算是一堆骨头,还用挑吗?明摆着的。 -winterstorm(打酱油的); 11.28 23:56 (#7926336@0)哈哈哈哈哈哈
-thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$);
2012-11-29
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(#7926585@0)
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看来你不仅是个250 而且还挺卑鄙,如此移花接木,企图混淆视听?你这个二杆子越来越下作了。
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2012-11-29
(#7926602@0)
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啊啊啊, NPD。Stay up, stay alive and stay happy. What a wonderful day。 看来你被气得够呛,真不好意思,戳到你的痛处了。 -winterstorm(打酱油的); 08:30 (#7926483@0)
-thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$);
2012-11-29
(#7926616@0)
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Grammar is not at the point here. Simplicity is not a rule but a spirit, a habit, a style.
-goingconern(GoingConcern);
2012-11-28
(#7924873@0)
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+1. :-) :-)
-nuanxin(nuanxin);
2012-11-29
(#7927076@0)
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酱油G, u r abosutely right. The reason that I prefer "because", is simply due to the fact that "because" is magical in the way that it implies being logical. :-)
-nuanxin(nuanxin);
2012-11-29
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酱油哥会说that太多, 还多了个", "吧。有可能。 ha ha ha
-thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$);
2012-11-29
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:-):-)
-nuanxin(nuanxin);
2012-11-29
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不过我觉得你的英语是鸡蛋, 不是酱油哥定性的一堆骨头。 (#7926336@0)
-thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$);
2012-11-29
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"because不能用在句首引导全句" agreed.
-nuanxin(nuanxin);
2012-11-29
(#7927098@0)
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Fat phrases are usually used to emphasize part of a sentence.
-geekcode(又回来了);
2012-11-27
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