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工作学习 / 外语学习 / 看看这篇文章:The Most Beautiful Code I Never Wrote(转贴), 有助于各位理解 “It's the most beautiful place I never went” 这类表达。
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2013-1-24
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That does not mean we can rigidly copy the pattern. In was written that way in contrast to the second line "the most beautiful code I ever wrote". Although it is not a formal way of writing, it does catch your attention in contrast.“It's the most beautiful place I never went” only confuses people. Or you'd better add something to complete this type of expression, telling people "I am weird, but with a purpose."
-nothanks(ciel);
2013-1-24
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Thanks for the comment! My understanding is that this pattern is used to describe something beautiful, however, for some reason, its beauty is impossible to be seen, approached, or obtained etc. .In other words, it is the ultimate beauty that is not there.
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2013-1-24
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It is a one-time creative use that fits well within the context of the said subject. Without the context explained in this article, general application of such a saying will lead to confusion.This setence, standing alone, is nonetheless grammatically incorrect, but perfectly fine in this article and makes a strong point.
-goingconern(GoingConcern);
2013-1-25
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It's not "one-time ". There are more examples of this pattern. e.g. "She is the most beautiful girl I never met".
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2013-1-25
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I tell you why it is so confusing.
-nothanks(ciel);
2013-1-25
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I totally understand your point. What I meant to say is that language is NOT logic. Once a way of expression has been widely accepted, the grammatical correctness of this usage will no longer be an issue.A typical example is "long time no see", which we all know is grammatically wrong. However, as it has been adopted by the mainstream English users, its grammatical correctness is becoming less and less important.
Getting back to this topic, personally I am not in favor of this way of expression. Nonetheless, I don't see any point to keep arguing about the "grammar" or "logic" of this pattern, which has been commonly adopted by the mainstream English users.
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2013-1-27
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Very well-said! Good big picture thinking! -goingconern(GoingConcern); 1.25 12:51 (#8020703@0)
-wincity(红卫兵);
2013-1-27
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语法和逻辑对中高级水平而言不重要,或者说学语言不要被条条框框束缚,但是对LZ这样的初学者,语法逻辑不懂,名词副词不分,别说交流讨论,别人就是想教他,甚至他想查字典,也是看不懂的。当然,我知道他肯定听不进这些话,只是希望对其他人有帮助。
-geekcode(吉克码工);
2013-1-27
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觉得你有些自相矛盾。语法就是语法,哪有对什么人重要对什么人不重要之说。。感觉你有一种说不得碰不得的样子。
-blueskygreenlake(藍天碧水我的最愛);
2013-1-28
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Very well-said! Good big picture thinking!
-goingconern(GoingConcern);
2013-1-25
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补充一点,LZ自己可能没看懂,或者故意隐藏上下文。他引的根本不是个句子,而是个标题。而标题下面第一句,原作者重述,就是用的正规的完成时。标题里为简洁不用完成时很常见,而用Never对Ever,就如你分析的了。相关的原文在贴内,有兴趣的可以看看。
Ch. 3. The Most Beautiful Code I Never Wrote
3.1. The Most Beautiful Code I Ever Wrote
When Greg Wilson first described the idea of this book, I asked myself what was the most beautiful code I had ever written. ......
-geekcode(吉克码工);
2013-1-27
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+1
-redjunk(rolia);
2013-1-27
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想不到酱油哥竟然在这种地方纠结。那我简单说说为什么这是病句,尤其是原句。首先,这里go是不及物动词,如果要用,无论如何后面还要再加个to。
-geekcode(吉克码工);
2013-1-24
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Go 之后不用to的例子不胜枚举,你如何解释以下用法:go there, go upstairs, go online...
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2013-1-24
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晕。对不起,是我误会你了,就当我没跟过你的贴。
-geekcode(吉克码工);
2013-1-24
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慢走不送。
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2013-1-25
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沙发。
-wincity(红卫兵);
2013-1-25
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go后面接副词不用加 to,接名词一定要有 to。
-maplus(马+);
2013-1-25
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不要讲大道理,就是上面那一句,加to还是不加?我认为还是要加
-zhousx18(IHaveADream);
2013-1-27
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到现在为止,只有楼主认为是不用加to的。其实因为place是名词,go作为不及物动词(说白了,就是不能直接带名词的动词)必须要加to。楼主象是从来没听说过不及物动词(intransitive verb),估计是没查过字典,因为字典里动词的词条几乎都是最先注明是及物还是不及物。
-geekcode(吉克码工);
2013-1-27
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其次,The most ... I've (n)ever,严格地说应该用完成时。当然你可以找到有人不用的例子,但并不等于这些例子就不是病句。一种说法没有人用,几乎可以肯定是错的,或者是很不地道的。一种说法只有极少的人用,你最好也打个问号。
-geekcode(吉克码工);
2013-1-24
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还有一种可能就是某种表达其实不少见,只是你自己很少见到而已。所以千万别以为自己很少见到的,就一定是实际上很少用的, 尤其对外语来讲。
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2013-1-24
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I don't think this is the point. One writer's creative use of language in specific context does not qualify a phrase for general use. Pomoting a one-off quote inappropriately equally cause confusion.Thus it is not about rules or uses, but how the writer writes coherently and logically taking care of his/her own style of language.
-goingconern(GoingConcern);
2013-1-25
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We write to inspire, to explore, to pass on thoughts and knowledge to push forward the wheel of civilization, not necessarily to IMPRESS people.
-goingconern(GoingConcern);
2013-1-25
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you short of heart hole
-dv2011(小肥羊);
2013-1-25
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If you have a "hole", make sure it does not leak too badly.
-goingconern(GoingConcern);
2013-1-25
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他可能只是想幽他一默地说你太实诚了。象楼主这样要抛开语法和逻辑来判断句子是不是病句,又有意无意地不看(或者是藏起)上下文,你跟他讨论能有结果吗?我反正是闪了,也不用他送。
-geekcode(吉克码工);
2013-1-27
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你已经闪过一闪了, 这次不会又是假“闪”吧。这个话题本人已经表达得很清楚,也没兴趣再和你这个档次的ID讨论了。看上去你的心态还是比较浮躁,有点滑稽。要不再读读红卫兵的心态篇?
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2013-1-28
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goingconcern缺心眼。。。这个翻译的好 哈哈哈
-redjunk(rolia);
2013-1-27
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酱油兄不容易,来支持一下。
-butubukuai(不吐不快);
2013-1-29
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If you feel fine, then use it. I only want to give those who are trying to learn here some fresh perspectives.
-nothanks(ciel);
2013-1-29
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谢谢读帖和发表观点。No offence taken。探讨嘛,不是一言堂,欢迎不同观点。我也主张只有很确定的才用,不很清楚的,用了可能完全不是想要的效果,所以我也不建议网友们用这种表达方法。这点咱们非常一致。"...you have never seen"和“...I never saw”的确是完全不同的意思,本人认为后者也是正确的用法。不知您google的时候是否加了引号,我的意思是让网友用引号搜索的。虽然您网名nothanks,俺还是得再谢谢您! :-)
-butubukuai(不吐不快);
2013-1-29
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+1
-redjunk(rolia);
2013-1-29
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笔误,最后我是想说“哪位网友”,不是特指。改不了了,在此更正。
-butubukuai(不吐不快);
2013-1-29
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不管是哪位的马甲,感谢你花时间码了这么多字!学术问题上的问题,时间和事实自然会证明的。至于有些人是否理解则从来不是本人所关心的。你的谈吐很有水准,在下钦佩!
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2013-1-29
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Insults never work. Yes, "在学术问题上,时间,事实会证明一切".
-nothanks(ciel);
2013-1-29
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But tolerance and acceptance do.
-thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$);
2013-1-29
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It all started from insults. Let's end it with humor, to both of you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=astISOttCQ0
-nothanks(ciel);
2013-1-29
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Thanks. I didn't participate in the discussion but do value all parties' opinions and respect their views.
-thornthorn($oOHoly MolyOo$);
2013-1-29
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I agree
-winterstorm(打酱油的);
2013-1-29
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认真码字态度好,赞一个!观点上对人不对事,批评一下。因为要支持一个人,把对错误的指正都归为太较真,怪别人太认真,非要别人包容,比较幽默。
-geekcode(吉克码工);
2013-1-29
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